Detailed Account of Battle of Round Pond proves it was “pay back”

The August 14, 1863 edition of the Daily Missouri Republican contains a detailed account of the Battle of Round Pond and while Union authorities claim it was murder in cold blood, it was not without provocation.

Guerrilla leader John Bolin proclaimed “That’s how I burn down houses” before shooting down one of the captured federal soldiers the paper proclaims that Bolin was “referring to the burning of his own house by Union troops” – Editor

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Editors Note:

Round Pond was filled in many years ago and no longer exists but I did find a picture of it in the February 16, 1982 issue of the Southeast Missourian Newspaper.

 

 

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Protecting the Past: J.M. “Hoss” Herman

J.M. Herman from Grain Valley, Missouri is a Sons of Confederate veterans member and founder of the Missouri Flaggers ( a grass-roots organization that takes a pro-active approach in defending Southern heritage.   Herman has been busy as of late , re-setting and restoring the honor to many of Missouri’s Confederate Veterans like the gravestone of Private Holt Davis, of Shanks Regiment, General J.O. Shelby’s Division of Missouri Confederate Cavalry.

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Clint Eastwood, Josey Wales and the G.O.P.

A fellow blogger in Alabama recently wrote an article about Clint Eastwood and the G.O.P. convention. Noel over at the Blood and Soil blog writes

The Outlaw Josey Wales was always one of my favorite movies and for years it used to give me a sense of pride because I knew my Southern ancestors truly had fought in just a way and suffered those type of crimes at the hands of Lincoln’s Yankee government. As I grew older I came to realize that my beloved movie was nothing but a tale, a script likely penned by a non-Southerner with no kinship for the Southern cause. Just another way to make a buck and push a leading man.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in Noel’s case he happens to be wrong.  “Josey Wales” was more than a tale, a script, he was real and his name was Bill Wilson and as Ronie Atnip writes at: ntex-news:

The story of Bill Wilson has been told throughout the Ozark Mountains since he began his bloody career in 1861 to the present day.  He is a true folk hero.  The Ozarks were full of men who took to the bush and waged a single man to a small gang warfare on the union soldiers, red legs, jayhawkers and spies for the Union.  Although there were a lot of these men, if someone said, “The Bushwhacker,” “The Great Bushwhacker,” or the “Famous Bushwhacker,” everyone knew that they were talking about Bill Wilson.  His daring deeds are still considered miracles due to his never being wounded once.  He is remembered for his superior skill with revolvers and clever tactics in surprising his enemies.  The writings and movie about Josie Wales are based on the real bushwhacker, Bill Wilson.

Bill Wilson was born around 1830 in Phelps County, Missouri.  His father, Sol Wilson, was a very well-to-do farmer who owned several slaves, but freed them before the Civil War.  Sol remained neutral and advised his children to do the same.

At 6’2” tall and 185 pounds with black curly hair and bright blue eyes, Bill was a very striking man.  Because of his fun loving personality and skill at playing the violin, he was always in demand for weddings and parties.  Bill was never without at least two forty-four caliber six shooters.  This was not uncommon in the mountains at that time.

In the summer of 1861, some horses were stolen from the U.S. Government by a guerilla gang.  Bill was accused of the deed.  He was questioned, but maintained his innocence.  A few days later, while he was away from home, a group of Union soldiers, Jayhawkers and Red Legs rode to his house, ejected his family, took everything he had, and set fire to his house, barn and outbuildings.  Bill moved his family into a one room cabin on his mother’s farm and started on his quest.  Bill Wilson became, “The Bushwhacker.”..

One mistake many historians make is not recognizing the differences between Southerners in Missouri and their brotheron in the “Deep South”. Missouri was first settled by the French, then the Scots-Irish and later shortly before the War Between the States an influx of European Marxists (but that is a subject for another story).

The War for Missourians was more than an ideological ideal, Missouri was one of the first Southern states to fall, and Missourians fought back because the government would not leave them in peace. As Atnip notes:

Mountain people of the Ozarks maintained a code of “mind your own business.”  They didn’t readily take anyone into their confidence.  In 1939 a book, Bushwhacker – A True History of Bill Wilson, Missouri’s Greatest Desperado was written by a descendent of friends and neighbors of the famous bushwhacker.  Even though the author grew up in Phelps County, he never found out that these bushwhackers were associated with Partisan Rangers under Colonel William Clarke Quantrill.  During the winter and when not active in Missouri, they were in North Texas.  He only found out that Jim Jamison guided Quantrill while the Rangers were in Missouri.

One may wonder what the bushwhackers did with all the U.S. horses they stole.  Easy answer.  Quantrill and General Joe Shelby were in constant need of re-mounts.  Horses were a great contribution to their cause.

After the war, there was a $300 bounty on bushwhackers.  Bill Wilson went to Texas waiting on things to settle down.  In March, 1865 Dave Poole, Arch Clement, Jim Anderson and 144 other Quantrill Rangers moved to Sherman, Texas.  Wilson was probably one of this group.  Captain Dave Poole stayed in Sherman and became a successful rancher, spending a lot of his time brokering pardons for many of the Rangers.  Bill would not take the oath, but did make many trips back to Missouri visiting his family.

To offer more proof that “Josey Wales” was infact inspired by Missouri’s Bill Wilson , Atnip continues

In the movie, Josie Wales, Josie arrives in Texas, goes into a store, is shown a death picture of Simp Dixon and is told that Bob Lee is still fighting in Fannin County.  Actually, Simp wasn’t killed until one year after both Bob Lee and Bill Wilson were killed.  Also, there are no known pictures of Simp Dixon.  The one used in the movie was that of Bill Doolin, killed many years later.  When Simp Dixon left North Texas, a Missouri Partisan Ranger, Sam Stone, let him set up an ambush in Stone’s woodlot to kill Judge Hardin Hart.  Hart was not killed, but did lose his left arm to a shotgun blast. This happened five miles south of Bonham, Texas.  Dixon went south tracking Lewis Peacock, Bob Lee’s nemesis, and was killed near Fort Parker.  He is buried close to Cynthia Ann Parker, Quanah Parker’s mother, and her family.

The saloon/bordello/gambling house in the movie would have been that belonging to Jim, “Jim Crow” Chiles.  Mr. Chiles was burnt out in Missouri before the war and moved his family to Sherman, Texas.  He was an uncle of President Harry Truman and had met Quantrill while a wagon master on the Santa Fe Trail.  He rode with both Quantrill and General Joe Shelby.  All the Rangers frequented his place while in Sherman.

While the movie Josie Wales had minor historical inaccuracies, it had many parallels to the life of the Bushwhacker Bill Wilson.  The one big surprise came towards the end of the movie when “Jim Crow” Chiles told the two police officers who were on the great outlaw roundup, that Josie’s name was “Mr. Wilson.”

I further disagree with Noel, when in his article he writes (of Clint Eastwood’s appearance at the G.O.P. convention ):

As my mind snaps back to the scene on my television with one of America’s favorite actors, I can’t help but see the similarities between Eastwood’s portrayal of Josey Wales and his attempt to portray himself as a Republican zealot. Only this time instead of using history as his backdrop he uses a stage and has an empty chair as his villain. This is symbolic of the Republican party and their choice of Mitt Romney as their new hero out to save the day.

Mr. Eastwood paints the typical picture that the evil liberals have pursued his team and his country is at stake. Out of the Northeast comes a hero. A new political version of Josey Wales who will fight against long odds but who in the end, will set things right. Watching Mr. Eastwood sputter out his half-hearted script a couple of things become painfully obvious. Clint Eastwood is just an actor, who mouths words written by someone else for entertainment. He answers to others behind the scenes who foot the bill for his movies just as Mitt Romney reads his script and answers to those who foot his political bill. There is no reality to either of their speeches. Only hollow words spoken to an empty chair.

In case anyone hasn’t noticed, the country is at stake and  many of my “Nationalist” friends in the “Deep South” need to understand that no,  Romney is not the answer to our prayers but he is the best chance we have to remove a socialst-marxist ideologue from the White House. Any dreams you or I have for self-government will be much harder if he is reelected.

I do not believe that someone else wrote Eastwood’s “script” and I don’t believe he has caved in to anyone. For those who’ve might have forgotten the tenacity of Mr. Eastwood allow me to quote from a 2008 Huffington Post article which reported:

Clint Eastwood has advised rival film director Spike Lee to “shut his face” after the African-American complained about the racial make-up of Eastwood’s films.

In an interview with the Guardian published today, Eastwood rejected Lee’s complaint that he had failed to include a single African-American soldier in his films Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima, both about the 1945 battle for the Japanese island.

In typically outspoken language, Eastwood justified his choice of actors, saying that those black troops who did take part in the battle as part of a munitions company didn’t raise the flag. The battle is known by the image of US marines raising the American flag on Mount Suribachi.

“The story is Flags of Our Fathers, the famous flag-raising picture, and they didn’t do that. If I go ahead and put an African-American actor in there, people’d go: ‘This guy’s lost his mind.’ I mean, it’s not accurate.” Referring to Lee, he added: “A guy like him should shut his face.”

 

Skynyrd ain’t our Enemy…

I recently published a post entitled An Inconvenient Truth the subject of which was the recent controversy involving Southern Rock legends Lynyrd Skynyrd interview with CNN their distancing of themselves from the Confederate Battle Flag, fan outrage, and Gary Rossington’s (last original member of Lynyrd Skynyrd) clarification and pledge to keep flying the flag at their live shows.

Today I want to take the discussion in a new direction, one that will most likely get me as much or more hate mail than it will positive responses. That being said, this is what I feel, and this is what I feel is right to say.

Michael Givens, Commander in Chief of the Sons of Confederate Veterans

I like most of you was both angered and disappointed when Lynyrd Skynyrd appeared on CNN and declared that they were dissociating themselves from the Confederate Flag, I found their Facebook page and shared my displeasure with them like THOUSANDS of my fellow Southerners and Skynyrd fans did. I was quite please , when Gary Rossington posted his statement clarifying his position on the flag stating that:

I wanted to clarify the discussion of the Confederate Flag in our recent CNN interview.  Myself, the past members and the present members (that are from the South), are all extremely proud of our heritage and being from the South.   We know what the Dixie flag represents and its heritage; the Civil War was fought over States rights.
We still utilize the Confederate (Rebel) flag on stage every night in our shows, we are and always will be a Southern American Rock band, first and foremost.  We also utilize the state flag of Alabama and the American flag as well, ‘cause at the end of the day, we are all Americans.   I only stated my opinion that the confederate flag, at times, was unfairly being used as a symbol by various hate groups, which is something that we don’t support the flag being used for. The Confederate flag means something more to us, Heritage not Hate”

It was good to know that so many of us spoke out and it was even better that somebody listened. Gary Rossington listened and tried to make things right, now where I come from, that’s all a man can do , or be expected to do.  So why are so many of my Southern brothers in the ranks of the Sons of Confederate Veterans still raking him over the coals?

Michael Givens, Commander in Chief of the Sons of Confederate Veterans could never be described as a simple administrator, or a bureacrat within the ranks of the 31,000 that make up the Sons.  He is an Independent film maker, he is articulate, proactive and thinks outside of the box in his duties. In short his has been an excellent commander but in the case of Lynyrd Skynyrd, specifically Gary Rossington’s statements he is wrong. Responding to Rossington’s statement he left the following comment in the comments section at the band’s website, www.lynyrdskynyrd.com stating:

“Dear Gary, Lynyrd Skynyrd, management, `et alia’,

I am the Commander-in-Chief of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. We are an organization, chartered in 1896 by veterans of the War for Southern Independence for the purpose of promoting the true history and principles of the Confederate soldiers’ cause. On behalf of our 31,000 members I write you today to express our deep sadness and concern over your present stance toward our venerable banner of the South. Your use of the flag in a manner that is up lifting and not aligned with any form of hate has been a stalwart defense of the flag’s true symbolism for many years. We appreciate and applaud your past efforts on behalf of our common ancestors.

Our biggest concern comes from your statement on the 8th of September 2012 to CNN. You disclosed, “But I think through the years, you know, people like the KKK and Skinheads and people have kind of kidnapped the dixie rebel flag from the southern tradition and the heritage of the soldiers.” Sir, our ancestors wrote the definition of that flag with their blood and when they furled the flag at the last battle they tucked their God-given liberty inside. The KKK and the Skinheads do not define our flag any more than the NAACP or any other hate group.

I am sure you do not agree with their hateful views of our flag, therefore I must ask you, who will stand up for the TRUTH, if not you and if not me? The answer is no one and without us the truth will be buried with the American Confederate flag. That is why we must not capitulate to their nancy demands.

Like many men in my organization, your music has been the soundtrack of my life. Your songs have helped define my own identity and Southernness. I have been a fan from the beginning. I was at the second to the last concert of the original band in Johnson City, Tennessee. All my best friends were at the Greenville, South Carolina concert a few days later. Then, our lives were changed forever—some much more than others. We have always been there for you. Your fans have not let you down. Do not let us down.

My fear is that you are living the song, WORKING FOR THE MCA and that Lynyrd Skynyrd has become the subject of a re-branding effort that hopes to make a kinder, gentler Lynyrd Skynyrd. I worked in the ad world for twenty years; re-branding’s not what we need. We need the honest and courageous Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Stay true to your people.

Please fell free to contact me if I may help. I wish you the very best and remain,

Respectfully yours,

Michael Givens Commander-in-Chief Sons of Confederate Veterans scv.org michaelgivens.com”

This was a good statement, a proper statement, and it should have stopped there, however; since making the statement he has also added :

“They still have not put it back in merchandise and the fact that they capitulated in the first place continues the acid rain of angst.”

Commander Givens has also seemingly become obsessed with a few nameless individuals in the comments (all 53 of them) section on the band’s website www.lynyrdskynyrd.com  stating: “My letter to Skynyrd has brought out the loons. Y’all might want to chime in”, as well as being obsessed with the the moderators on the site.

Sir, perhaps Gary Rossington did some soul searching after the CNN interview and the backlash from the fans. The end result is that the band will once again fly the flag that has been the symbol of the band for over 40 years, and our heritage for 150 years.

You , me, or anyone else for that matter has no right to demand what kind of merchandise they sell. The free market will determine the demand. Isn’t that what our ancestors fought the war to begin with? Besides, Gary Rossington isn’t telling us what merchandise to sell.

While you have been trying to bring Lynyrd Skynyrd under the heel, a major developement has occurred in Alabama. The Herald Standard is reporting that:

“Council members in an Alabama city voted Tuesday to stop a group’s work on a new monument honoring a Confederate general who was an early leader in the Ku Klux Klan.

The Selma City Council voted 4-0 with two members abstaining to stop all work on the monument to Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest until the courts decide whether the city or a Confederate heritage group owns the cemetery property where the monument would be rebuilt.

The vote came after a group of protesters marched to City Hall.

Demonstrations by civil rights groups about 10 years ago led to the relocation of a Forrest monument from outside a city building near downtown to a section of a city cemetery honoring Confederate war dead. But Forrest’s bust was removed and apparently stolen from atop a 7-foot granite memorial earlier this year, and efforts to rebuild it have drawn protests and calls by civil rights activists not to replace it.

Detractors say Forrest traded black people like cattle, massacred black Union soldiers and joined the early Ku Klux Klan. His defenders dispute much of that and counter with stories that depict him as a protector of slave families and defender of the weak who resigned from the KKK”

I ask you this; Who is more of a threat to our heritage? A group of friends who admit they were wrong and moves forward, or a group of well organized individuals, who will never admit when they are wrong and will not be happy until they destroy everything we hold dear?

Commander Givens, I respect you, but I would respect you a hell of a lot more if you got off your computer, stop having a teenage-style chatroom smack down with a nameless idiot and get your ass down to Alabama to confront the REAL threats to our heritage. respectfully,Clint E. LacyMember Colonel John T. Coffee Camp #1934, Osceola, Missouri

An Inconvenient Truth; Liberal Media ignores Skynyrd Pledge to Keep Flying Confederate Flag

The members of Lynyrd Skynyrd probably weren’t expecting a firestorm when they agreed to be interviewed by CNN’s Fredricka, but that’s exactly what transpired when members of the group stated that they would no longer fly the Confederate flag at their shows.  The interview, which aired Sept 9th on CNN caused an uproar in the Southern community , especially among long time Skynyrd fans.

The interview went viral almost as soon as it finished airing and angry fans flooded the group’s Facebook and Twitter accounts expressing dissatisfaction with the group’s decision to distance themselves from the flag.

The mainstream media was almost giddy with self adoration. They were no doubt, patting theirselves on the back for what they perceived as another victory in bringing down “the old South”.  What they weren’t expecting was the effect that an angry fan base would have on the group’s decision distance itself from the Confederate flag, but that’s exactly what happened and at least one member of the group listened.

Gary Rossington, the last original member of Lynyrd Skynyrd released a statement on Sept 21′st stating:

“I wanted to clarify the discussion of the Confederate Flag in our recent CNN interview. Myself, the past members and the present members (that are from the South), are all extremely proud of our heritage and being from the South. We know what the Dixie flag represents and its heritage; the Civil War was fought over States rights. We still utilize the Confederate (Rebel) flag on stage every night in our shows, we are and always will be a Southern American Rock band, first and foremost. We also utilize the state flag of Alabama and the American flag as well, ‘cause at the end of the day, we are all Americans. I only stated my opinion that the confederate flag, at times, was unfairly being used as a symbol by various hate groups, which is something that we don’t support the flag being used for. The Confederate flag means something more to us, Heritage not Hate…

-Gary Rossington “

While the left-wing media was quick to spread the news of “their victory” ( Skynyrd’s  decision to distance themselves from all things Confederate), they were less enthusiastic to spread the news of Rossington’s clarification that they will still fly the Confederate Battle Flag at their shows.  In fact “news organizations” such as The Atlantic Wire decided to ignore Rossington’s statement all together.

The very same day that Rossington released his statement that the group WAS NOT going to stop flying the Confederate Battle Flag at their live shows The Atlantic Wire published an article entitled “Racists Ruined the Confederate Flag for Lynyrd  Skynyrd” !

The article states that: “The reason reporters are scouring online forums, fanpage comments, and Twitter is because the last surviving original member of the hard-to-spell band which brought you Southern anthems “Free Bird” and “Sweet Home Alabama”, Gary Rossington, has made a pledge to stop associating the band (himself) with the Confederate flag. It’s a big move since part of the reason the Confederate flag has remained popular (at least in rock n roll) was because Lynyrd Skynyrd’s use of the flag in concerts and memorabilia (back when Rossington didn’t think it was associated with the KKK and raging racists)”

I find it hard to believe that The Atlantic Wire author of this article had absolutely no idea that Rossington had clarified his statements about the Confederate flag and his pledge to keep flying it at their shows, or the fact that Rossington stated the war was not about slavery.

Just in case you were wondering, no The Atlantic Wire has not updated the article to reflect Rossington’s clarification about the Confederate flag. It is a little more than ironic , when one considers that when Rossington’s statements about the flag were published on Lynyrd Skynyrd’s Facebook page it received 2108 positive comments within 5 hours of its posting.

Are we really supposed to believe the Atlantic Wire had no knowledge of this?  Of course they did, but they were already in celebration mode, they couldn’t spoil the celebration with a healthy dose of the truth could they?

Still, some aren’t so quick to forgive the group even after Rossington pledged to keep flying the flag.  Michael Givens, Commander in Chief of the Sons of Confederate Veterans released the following statement today on his Facebook page:

“Dear Gary, Lynyrd Skynyrd, management, `et alia’,

I am the Commander-in-Chief of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. We are an organization, chartered in 1896 by veterans of the War for Southern Independence for the purpose of promoting the true history and principles of the Confederate soldiers’ cause. On behalf of our 31,000 members I write you today to express our deep sadness and concern over your present stance toward our venerable banner of the South. Your use of the flag in a manner that is up lifting and not aligned with any form of hate has been a stalwart defense of the flag’s true symbolism for many years. We appreciate and applaud your past efforts on behalf of our common ancestors.

Our biggest concern comes from your statement on the 8th of September 2012 to CNN. You disclosed, “But I think through the years, you know, people like the KKK and Skinheads and people have kind of kidnapped the dixie rebel flag from the southern tradition and the heritage of the soldiers.” Sir, our ancestors wrote the definition of that flag with their blood and when they furled the flag at the last battle they tucked their God-given liberty inside. The KKK and the Skinheads do not define our flag any more than the NAACP or any other hate group.

I am sure you do not agree with their hateful views of our flag, therefore I must ask you, who will stand up for the TRUTH, if not you and if not me? The answer is no one and without us the truth will be buried with the American Confederate flag. That is why we must not capitulate to their nancy demands.

Like many men in my organization, your music has been the soundtrack of my life. Your songs have helped define my own identity and Southernness. I have been a fan from the beginning. I was at the second to the last concert of the original band in Johnson City, Tennessee. All my best friends were at the Greenville, South Carolina concert a few days later. Then, our lives were changed forever—some much more than others. We have always been there for you. Your fans have not let you down. Do not let us down.

My fear is that you are living the song, WORKING FOR THE MCA and that Lynyrd Skynyrd has become the subject of a re-branding effort that hopes to make a kinder, gentler Lynyrd Skynyrd. I worked in the ad world for twenty years; re-branding’s not what we need. We need the honest and courageous Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Stay true to your people.

Please fell free to contact me if I may help. I wish you the very best and remain,

Respectfully yours,

Michael Givens
Commander-in-Chief
Sons of Confederate Veterans
scv.org
michaelgivens.com”
webmaster

Missouri Map of Intolerance

Remember Vicksburg…

Today remember our losses at Gettysburg and Vicksburg on July 4th 1863. They were severe blows to our freedom and liberty. In Vicksburg, Mississippi, many, many Missouri Battle Flags were surrendered this day 149 years ago. “Missouri Brigade Battle Flag Prior to the Vicksburg Campaign,Missouri units of the “Army of the West” received presents of new battle flags that they carried into the siege with them. These flags were rectangular, consisting of a dark blue bunting field with a red bunting border on three sides and a white cotton “Latin” cross standing near the staff edge. At some time in 1863 or 1864 similar flags were presented to the five units of Burns’ Missouri Brigade serving in the Trans-Mississippi Department. According to surviving documents man of these flags were made in occupied New Orleans by ladies loyal to the Confederacy and smuggled through the lines to give to General Sterling Price”

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